Years ago I was in a discussion with a person of strong religious beliefs, and mentioned that I was an Atheist. She looked at me with an expression of disbelief and disgust, and said (nearly shouted) "You say that as if you were proud of it!"
"I am."
And just what, you might well ask, is my point? Well, I’m getting to that.
Today something was posted to a mailing list I’m on, something that I found offensive. Now, if you’ve been reading this list you’ll know that I have wrestled with this particular demon in the past (read this if you don’t remember) and I am genuinely trying not to be so thin skinned. This guy, however, just happened to push the button connected to the raw nerve in my pet peeve. (Shall I throw another metaphor into the mix? No? Ok, then...)
Here’s what happened.
A person of strong conservative feelings posted a long quote from pundit Dr. Jack Wheeler, posted on many web sites (here’s the original article on Wheeler’s own site) and to blogs and mailing lists everywhere (just do a Google search on "Jack Wheeler" and see for yourself). Now, I don’t think much of Jack Wheeler or anything he says; according to him, not only should Obama be drug tested (see for yourself) but McCain is "clinically nuts" (yes, he said that too) and cooperated with the Viet Cong in exchange for a Hanoi apartment and a couple of hookers. If anyone is "clinically nuts" it seems to me that it’s Wheeler. But this particular quote from Wheeler contained the following:
"Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior."
My response: "As an atheist I find this statement extremely offensive. Religiously offensive. Shame on Jack Wheeler...and shame on you for quoting him."
I later expanded on this:
"Why did this bother me? Well, suppose that this wasn’t a question of religion but one of race; suppose that he had made the same statement but with equally offensive terms, and the quote had read:
"’Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain white and are in no desperate need of a phony Martin Luther King.’
"Do you get it now?"
I honestly don’t think he did get it, but I’ll never really know, since this showed every sign if degenerating into yet another pointless political/religious argument through email that no one really wanted clogging up their mailbox, so I just blocked his mail and went away to stew for a while. And write this article.
It got me thinking about Atheism. It got me asking myself why I was so offended. Here’s the answer I came up with: I got offended because no one seems to think I should be.
We live in a very sensitive (some would say over sensitive) society. If someone makes anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, anti-Methodist comments they are ostracized, and rightly so. And while anti-Moslem comments are somewhat tolerated, they shouldn’t be, and there are plenty of people who will stand up for Moslem religious rights as well. In fact, for nearly all religious groups of any size there are also networks of support organizations, youth groups, clubs and teams and meetings and prayer groups by the score.
But Atheists have no advocates; no support network, no churches, no community centers. It is in our nature to be decentralized and disorganized. We’re fair game. You can safely make anti-Atheist comments with no fear from anybody (well, there is Madalyn Murray O’Hare’s organization but even Atheists seldom listen to them).
This isn’t a call for Atheists United; such an organization would be against our natures, as I said. This is a plea for America’s famous religious tolerance (which ain’t been all that tolerant lately) to be extended to those of us who profess no religion; who have no faith in supreme beings or Holy Ghosts or Great Spirits or whatever.
And a plea for you to recognize this: That we are not people who do not believe, not people who have no faith.
It always seemed to me that the appeal of divine beings is that they can never really let you down; if they seem not to come through, you can always say it’s your fault and still believe in their perfect love. There are things that I believe in; people, institutions, the laws of physics, and the U.S. Constitution among them.
(The Constitution is particularly important to me; I hold it in the same regard as many hold the Bible, as a document penned by fallible and imperfect men that somehow manages to transcend its framers, that I can look to often and find new truths in it each time. If I could hold any book holy, it would be the U.S. Constitution. And like the Bible, no two interpretations of the Constitution exactly agree, and some are wildly divergent. But I digress.)
The problem with these "non-divine" objects of faith is that they can let you down; often do, in fact; institutions can fail you, the laws of physics are imperfectly understood, the Constitution gets used as toilet paper by the very people sworn to defend it, and people in general are no damn good. And in spite of all of this, my faith remains unshaken; does that sound much like religious devotion to you?
Anyway, that’s what I believe, and what I believe in. I need to get a bumper sticker that says "Atheist - and proud of it."
The Blues Viking
The opinions here expressed are mine and if you don’t like them you can get your own damn blog.
Saturday, September 6, 2008
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Achem...Hello I work for an organization called...Atheists United. Check us out. I think you might find that such an organization does exactly what you describe and it’s not "against our nature." It's in our nature to organize and to want to be around like-minded people and to build communities that reflect our values and consolidate our collective will to do the work necessary to move the universe towards a place that reflects our ideals. You don't have to be part of a religion to think those are powerful things. Our current newsletter has an article from a professor that teaches the nation's only university course about atheism about how people try to make atheists feel rude for expressing their opinions. I'd be happy to send you a copy. Website: atheistsunited.org, drop me a line, membership@atheistsunited.org. –Brian Parra
An Apology to Atheists United
I sincerely apologize. I had no idea there was such an organization; I just made up the name, nor knowing that there actually was an organization called Atheists United.
an, do I feel dumb.
Another bit of the post that needs amending...organization may not, perhaps, be anathema to Atheists in general, but it certainly is anathema to me. But then, I never have been a "joiner". Over the years I've turned down opportunities to join support groups for diabetics, heart patients, stroke survivors, grief, major surgery, depression, caregivers, and amputees (though that last offer was silly...it was only a freakin' toe, ferkrisake!) and I've passed on them all.
So I won't be joining Atheists United, 'cause it just ain't in my nature, but I do sincerely thank you for the invite. Perhaps next time I want to claim that something doesn't exist, I'll do a web search to see if it actually doesn't exist. It's an embarrassing gaff, and again I apologize to you, your organization and any Atheists who could use a support group. I'll repeat the web site you gave me: atheistsunited.org
The rest of the article I stand by; that Atheism is a group that everyone else feels OK about disrespecting, and it would be nice if everyone who insists on religious tolerance for themselves showed some for us.
And perhaps I should also apologize to the organization of the late Madalyn Murray O'Hare, American Atheists. Perhaps I should learn a little tolerance.
The Blues Viking
Interesting corner you've painted yourself into...
Ignoring that you USED to be an "agnostic" by your own description, you appear to have found evidence that takes your "not knowing that there is" to a "knowing that there is not". I'm sure that will crop up on another blog entry, so I'll let that pass.
No, the corner is this: Atheism is in itself, a religion. It is NOT as some atheists like to say, an ignoring of the principal of a divine being. They cite that "I don't believe in Flying Purple Cows either." But there really aren't any large groups which revere this mythological beast. heck, it doesn't even rate 'mythological'.
Neither is Atheism a denial, rejection or even a resistance to "religion" in general. They see religion all the time, and do not doubt religion's existance.
Atheism is a belief system which states that "there is no god", using a broad definition of god, but having a lot of attention directed at the God of Abraham (that's how I'm going to say it). It replaces mythology with science for explanation of such things as creation of the universe. Their beliefs are as 'orthodox' in their own sphere as any, and like any orthodoxy, has the outliers. Example, not EVERYONE believes in the Big Bang.
But, there are religions which do revere some "Great Spirit" of many flavors. Conversely, there are some religions which base their beliefs on something which DENIES the above stated "great spirit". BOTH, yea verily BOTH of those (schools of) religions are guaranteed protection under The Constitution. Even if one of those religions is based purely on the abilities of the human body. Yoga, TM, Scientology (maybe) are such. And if one of those religions believes that another religion gets everything else wrong, BOTH are protected.
Atheism is just such a religion. it believes that all religions which have a 'god' are wrong about this 'god thing'. And thus, were one to ask me, which I notice you didn't, ATHEISM is a religion which should also receive protection under the Constitution. The "Free Exercise Clause" should apply to Atheists as well. I an not a Lawyer, but I think it has.
So far, so good. Here's the corner...
That same First Amendment also has an Establishment Clause "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"
Atheism must also live in a country where Congress cannot make Atheism a religion. That is, it CANNOT outlaw religion, nor suppress things religious. For a speechwriter to use "God" in a political speech is not 'establishment'. For a President to have faith is not 'establishment'. For a voting bloc to "inspire" its members based on a religious view is NOT establishment. Those are all protected under the Constitution. And you have the right to protest, and protest you do.
I see very little "tolerance" for religious views by the non-religious, be they atheist, agnostic or Church of the Flying Purple Cow. Calling someone a bigot is its own form of hate speech. And hate speech is NOT protected under The Constitution. Let he who is without hate speech, cast the first stone.
So, please... put your tissue away. You are not the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Mark 1:3 (sorry, couldn't resist. And yes, I just did that to tick you off) As Saturdaynight16 so embarrassingly showed you, there is a collective. Geez o'Peets, you should at LEAST be a Rush Fan. Neil Peart is the Patron Saint of Atheists. http://www.metrolyrics.com/faithless-lyrics-rush.html
So, if you are an Atheist, congratulations. Go baptize yourself in something. If, as many religions believe, there IS a Judgement Day where you answer to someone, I guaran-damn-tee that Atheists will be treated better than those who never got off the fence.
And if there is no Judgment, then take heart. You may be a believer in your next life. ;-)
How the hell does what I used to be, or how or why I became what I am, become relevant to the article? I used to be an Episcopalian, before I turned six...but I can't see that that's relevant, either.
I need to write a different article about what a reprehensible (and offensive) practice it is to define someone else's religion for them, especially when you yourself believe in something entirely other.
I would never try to define Christianity to a Christian, save to say that it is not something I believe. I can not understand Christianity in the same way that a Christian does, no matter how well educated I make myself on the subject; and that Christian isn't going to understand what I believe either, no matter how thoroughly they think they understand me or what I believe.
I could go on, but why bother? I'm spending far too much time responding to comments, and that's something I promised myself I wouldn't do. I didn't post a new article tonight because responding to your comment to "Easy Come, Easy Go" took so long. My time is not limitless, nor is it as worthless as you seem to think.
Dude, get your own blog.
The Blues Viking
These thoughts are mine. Get your own.
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